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Post by snaffle on May 27, 2006 21:27:34 GMT -5
Does anyone have a link to a site that explains the D barrels? I need any info I can get.. also scorekeeping
thanks
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Post by havtaride nli on May 27, 2006 21:57:29 GMT -5
NBHA should have waht u need I will look and see
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Post by havtaride NLI on May 27, 2006 22:07:50 GMT -5
Q: How does the 4-D format work?
A: All riders, regardless of ability, run in the same 4-D barrel race. The four divisions are then determined by time brackets. With the 4-D format, the OVERALL fastest time of the race is used to set the time brackets for the four divisions. The NBHA awards points to members IN ALL DIVISIONS on a 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 basis for first place through fifth place, regardless of the number of entries or paying places. · 1st Division: These are the riders with the fastest times. · 2nd Division: These are competitors who ran ONE-HALF (1/2) SECOND or SLOWER than the OVERALL fastest time. · 3rd Division: These are competitors who ran ONE (1) SECOND or SLOWER than the OVERALL fastest time. · 4th Division: These are competitors who ran TWO (2) SECONDS or SLOWER than the OVERALL fastest time.
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Post by havtaride nli on May 27, 2006 22:20:55 GMT -5
its gets a little tricky cause you can have a faster time then the 3rd 4th 5th in first division but still be in 2 division as long as you are slower then the winner.. so some people run for the lesser divisions to get the money.. first place in 2nd division will win more then 3rd in 1st division.
1st division 1-15.5 /2- 15.9 / 3-16 /4-16.5 /5- 17
2nd division 1-16 /2-16.2 3/16.5 /4-16.7 /5-16.9
so if you are .5 behind the leader you are in the lower division but you will end up first in 2nd division soooo
3rd divison time would be .5 behind the 2nd division winner which in this case would be 16.5
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Post by Chrisnstar on May 27, 2006 22:58:32 GMT -5
too confusing for me!
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Post by Jenni on May 27, 2006 23:49:52 GMT -5
Let's try this. Basically it is a format that pays out to more than just the fastest times. Usually 3-D barrels has a 1 second split between divisions.
Say the fastest time is a 15.5
Then the second division would start at 16.5 and 3rd division would start at 17.5
This means that the person who ran a 15.5 would get paid. In a large class you would pay a certain amount of additional people who were between 15.5 an 16.499.
Then the second division would be people between 16.5 and 17.499
Third division would be 17.5-18.499
In 3-D it usually goes 50% of the pot to the 1st division, 30% to second, and 20 % to the third. Then you divie it up within each division depending on the amount of entries. Sometimes all the horses are so close you don't have people in the divisions then you divide the money up differently.
For example at the last event I was at only 5 people entered the 3-D barrels class. Their times were:
17.328
17.375
17.555
51.008
No time (tipped barrel)
So the divisions were
1D = 17.328-18.327
2D = 18.328-19.327
3D = 19.328-20.327
As you can see all fell in the same division or way outside the cutoff so the person with the 17.328 took home the whole pot.
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Post by linda on May 28, 2006 11:29:51 GMT -5
I really like what they have done with these divisions. Gaming almost killed itself years ago. Only the people with the very fastest horses had a chance of winning. There was no way for kids coming into the activity, riding their backyard horse, to have a chance to be successful. People started buying horses off the track for their kids--and everyone else might as well have gone home. Those really fast horses could run the pattern badly, and wipe out the time of a kid who had done everything just perfectly--and who had trained his/her own horse.
Now, you don't have to have the fastest horse on the block to be able to get rewarded. I think that is good for the sport. Now everyone can play--and everyone has a shot at winning. I like those kinds of odds.
Linda
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Post by snaffle on May 28, 2006 17:37:38 GMT -5
Just about the time I was beginning to think I had this figured out... my brain malfunctioned ...
I got lost when you said (Jenni) that at the 3d.... then you said:
"So the divisions were
1D = 17.328-18.327
2D = 18.328-19.327
3D = 19.328-20.327
I do not understand how a 3D.. could end up with 1D 2D 3D
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Post by Chrisnstar on May 28, 2006 17:40:23 GMT -5
Snaffle, that's where I get lost also.... too much math for me.
chris (scratching head here)
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Post by snaffle on May 28, 2006 20:41:45 GMT -5
Chris.. not too much math... too much .. of something else...
and you and I obviously... dont have it!
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Post by snaffle on May 28, 2006 20:42:08 GMT -5
does anyone have the record keeping score sheets for this?
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Post by Jenni on May 28, 2006 22:20:06 GMT -5
3D means three divisions so you have three different payout brackets called 1D (1st division), 2D (second division) and 3D (3rd division). These are seperated by 1 second splits. In 2D you have only 2 divisions (1D and 2D) seperated by a 1 second split (NBHA does this for pole bending). In 4D you have 4, with a half second split between 1D and 2D then another half second to 3D, then a full second to 4D. In 5D you have 5 divisions with half second splits. What do you mean by scoresheet? I have a payout calculator program that tells number of places to pay and what percentage of the pot they get depending on how many entrants. If you go to NBHA.com I think you can results from some of their races that give times, divisions and payout. Try here... nbha.com/shows/national/2005_shows/great_lakes/results/great_lakes_finals.shtmlThis is set up in the 4D format. 1D - the fastest time is 13.734 2D is the closest time above 13.734 + 0.5 = 14.234 (the next person is 14.237) 3D is the closest time above 13.734 + 1 = 14.734 (14.736 in this case) 4D is the closest time above 13.734 + 2 = 15.734 (15.772 in this case) Notice there are several people who fall in between the divisions and don't get paid. It's hard to explain but really not that difficult of a concept once you figure it out. |
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Post by Yip on May 28, 2006 23:44:58 GMT -5
You guys have it all wrong! You know instantly when you walk into the arena if they're running the 3D barrels because all the riders and horses are wearing those funny little glasses that they hand out at Disney world!
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Post by acorn on May 28, 2006 23:50:31 GMT -5
YIP!!!! You are SO BAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!!!   |
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Post by snaffle on May 30, 2006 6:32:46 GMT -5
Jenni...you are a world of information and patience!!!
perhaps if I had known that "D" was for 'division' it would have helped my worn out brain.
Please tell me more about the calculator program.. what type of calculator? Can I keep track without a calculator program and just a plain calculator?
Hey!!! lightbuld moment!!!! Our show is just over an hour from Beloit... hmmm.... could we bribe you to come to our show the June 17th?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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