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Post by LJ at work on Sept 5, 2006 16:17:30 GMT -5
It's just shocking how much effort people put into abusing horses. Unfortunately it's not limited to any one discipline or breed. A performance (qh) horse trainer friend once made an off-hand comment on the crutely used in training wp horse. Huh!?!? Well, now I know:( A cyber friend bought a nice wp mare and found that her tail had been "nervered?" or severed or something os that it lay flat and she couldn't raise it. She encountered so many health issues that my friend had to deal with - serious infections. It was a young mare and such abuse. My friend bought her without knowing and was handling it as best she could. I woner how many other things out there that I don't know about. The twh people who sore their horses and whatever else they do are just awful human beings. I'm delighted to see the carp finally hitting the fan where TWHs are concerned. We can only hope that the next round will be on behalf of the Saddlebreds, and then the WP horses. Soring and other cruel practices are just as common in the Saddlebred community as among the TWHs. (Does anyone believe for a moment that those prize Saddlebreds who died a couple of years ago actually were injured by an intruder? Come on!) And as Coyote comments, de-nerving (or at least anesthetizing) the tail is distressingly common in WP classes, to prevent the horse from swishing its tail as a sign of displeasure or pain. There was a scandal in the Paint Horse association a few years ago when, if I remember correctly, a majority of horses pinned in a national event were shown to have had their tail nerves cut. And tongue and mouth injuries are very common in WP horses who have been taught low head carriage and "flexibility" by spending hours with their heads tied--by the BIT!--around to their saddles or to hooks in the ceiling. I personally know two ex-WP horses with scars where their tongues were almost severed. There are also numerous stories, some of them involving big-name trainers like Monty Roberts, of such practices as baling wire or even barbed wire being used as a curb strap. I also share the concern that cruel practices leave responsible riders wide open to unfounded accusations of cruelty from organizations like PETA. I didn't pay attention, but I can only imagine what the PETA reaction was to the death of the endurance horse Rebel a few months ago. By allowing cruelty, we have made ourselves vulnerable, and that worries me. --LJ
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2006 17:20:27 GMT -5
The people that condone and practice all of these inhumanities to animals sicken me. Most breeds have some form of abuse that is practiced by the (and I hate to say it because I like watching shows) show industries of that breed. In MFTs, for example, they will use chains for gaits, to the point their tender skin on the coronet band bleeds. They pour oil in their ears for that head shake. They stuff ginger up their butts for tail carriage. They use a wire HANGAR to tie their mouths shut for 'training'. They use a nail in their neck to train them to stay in gait. If you've ever seen a foxtrotter show you'll see the guys and gals reach forward and just touch them on the lower neck, that's to elicit a fear of pain response to keep them in gait. One guy was suspended (and I cannot believe it was just suspended) for using electric shock spurs in a class. I can't help but wonder what happened? Why, if they care so little about these horses in their care, did they get into horses? Why not get into ATVs for something with machinery? Why abuse animals this way? What is inherently wrong with these people? And what of the owners that knowingly send their horses to these cruel trainers all for the glory of a blue ribbon? If you talk to them they swear they love the breed, love their horse, yada yada, but what kind of statement do they make by choosing a cruel trainer just to win a ribbon? They make the statement that a blue is more important than humane treatment. Coyote, I think you were much too kind in calling these people human beings. Or maybe I just expect that as we evolve, kindness would also evolve, since it seems a trait fairly exclusive to 'civilized' culture. Barf, I think I want to go hug my horses now...
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Post by Chrisnstar on Sept 6, 2006 10:44:28 GMT -5
Here's more info from someone who was there.
It was without a doubt the trainers association that cancelled the last class. I didn't hear anything at the time, but an article in the local Shelbyville paper did indicate at least one of the owners of a horse that passed inspection would have liked to compete.
I watched the inspection process throughout the week. It really is rather cursory. A horse is led into the warmup ring and checked in. The inspector picks up the front feet and presses certain spots with his thumb. Then he runs his hand over the hoof and lower leg looking for evidence of scarring. Sometimes they inspect the back legs, sometimes not. Finally, the horse is walked out and back about 50 feet. That's all there is to it. Of course that inspection is a DQP and not a USDA person.
I was most alarmed at the horses that seemed drugged up, especially the ones that fell down in the showring. I saw no evidence to suggest that drug tests are being performed. If a horse has been sorred then a short acting drug could mask that, could it not? Then when it wore off the horse could compete in the showring sore!
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Post by Lindanshadow on Sept 6, 2006 11:25:53 GMT -5
I have personally seen the "nail in the neck" training procedure happen on the show grounds at the MFTBA annual show in Ava Missouri. I will not go back. I dearly love my TWH's and cannot understand how someone could do anything to hurt a horse! Like t-leigh stated, why did these people get into horses in the first place? An ATV would much more suit them! Linda H.
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Post by Trailpal on Sept 6, 2006 12:08:01 GMT -5
Here's an article from the local (Shelbyville) newspaper: www.t-g.com/story/1167053.htmlI'm not sure what to make of the beginning of the article, it sounds like a lot of hand-waving to me. He wants to take several of the DQ'd horses and let the public look at them to see that "they are not scarred". My question would be - does the "public" even know what they are looking at? Soreing doesn't always leave visible marks. Toward the end of the article, they start playing a semantics game, saying that what the USDA refers to as scars are really "just callouses" and that they go away. how do they get callouses? Callouses are formed as a response to irritation - chemical or mechanical. They then have to apply the irritant in a different area to get the lifting they are looking for. Once the first callouses go away, then they can apply the irritant there again. One thing I wanted to mention if anyone is looking for a nice, sound-minded, working TWH, many field-trialers (folks who show their working hunting dogs actually working) use TWH's. Many of the horses are short enough that you can get off and on easily, they are well-broke to camping and being tied out and dogs running around. Many field-trialers "road" their dogs - put a harness on the dog, a line to the harness, and then "walk" them from horseback, with the dog pulling into the harness.
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Post by AmberC on Sept 6, 2006 14:04:54 GMT -5
Just callouses. Funny. All I can see is people trying to defend a disgusting process. This whole thing is beyond the scope of my little brain.
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Post by rhapsody on Sept 6, 2006 14:51:18 GMT -5
Here’s a class that anyone who sores for the "big lick" should have to enter: Owner/Trainer Big Lick Championship.
Class specs: All competitors are human owners/trainers of "big-lick" TWHs who have no compunction in "doing what it takes" to get the big lick from their horses. Competitor must show high action and fluidity of motion. Gaits to be performed are walk, trot and run. Limping to be penalized. Staggering to be penalized severely. Competitor must carry weighted backpack that is 15% of their body weight and must wear 8-inch platform shoes that change the angle of their foot by at least 5 degrees.
Now the best way to train for this class: First, we need to get them used to the platform shoes so they have to wear them 24/7. Then we have to train them to pick up their feet so we need to add blistering/soring agents and then apply chains to the sored areas (ankles, heels, etc.).
Am I missing anything? I’m sure I am but I know you all will be able to help me flesh out the class specs and training regimen . . .
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Post by AmberC on Sept 6, 2006 15:14:56 GMT -5
Do they ginger TWH? That's something the trainers would deserve.....
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Post by Pat B on Sept 6, 2006 15:38:11 GMT -5
Doesn't matter - it's a new class - we can add any rules we want! (Why isn't there a smiley for "Evil Grin"?)
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