No one sells magnesium oxide, for a reason

[Yip]

I just talked to the owner of a feed mill who explained it to me this way. Mg Oxide is a pita to work with. It is finely powdered and turned all the cattle feeds they mixed totally white. It looked like a bomb exploded whenever they used it because it flew everywhere and covered every surface. They don't even stock it anymore now that the better cattle minerals have been introduced. These newer better products are made with Mg sulfate.

He says that Mg sulfate is the more readily absorbed product of the two, and many people have become more interested in it. It is just Epsom Salts! I think you can buy 2# for a dollar at Wal-Mart.

Linda and all, do you suggest I try Mg sulfate in lieu of Mg oxide that's unavailable? Can you even hazard a guess what the dosage would be?

[linda]

YIp, I wouldn't go there. I have the figures for magnesium carbonate and magnesium oxide--which run about $10 for 50 pounds. Dolomite is high-magnesium limestone. It is about 10% magnesium and 22.2% calcium--you wouldn't want to use it unless your diet was calcium deficient. Quiessence is $25 for 5 pounds. Bioplex Magnesium is a chelated magnesium powder. Uckele will individually package amounts at $3.80 pound. Magnesium 3000, corn gluten meal, is $17.60 for 5 pounds. E-Se-Mag is designed primarily with sore muscles and/or tying up in mind. 4 mg selenium and 2000 IU of vitamin E per ounce. Do not exceed 1 oz per day without your vet's approval. $44.08 for 5 pounds (all these $$$ figures are from 2001.)

The number for Uckele Health and Nutrition is 800-248-0330.

I would ask your vet for recommendations.

And please don't tell my local feed stores that no one sells it anymore--I still buy it. But it does probably explain why you don't find it in the pre-mixed vitamin/mineral mixes.
Linda

[Yip]

Thanks so much, Linda. I'm going to do a lot more research before I jump into the Mg thing now.

I'll look again at Quiessence too - but I thought it was more like $70 for 5#.

Thank you for your help!

[linda]

Yip, At those kind of price differences, you could pay to have the magnesium shipped in by truck from somewhere else. I don't mind paying for quality, but situations like this tend to make me angry. The magnesium I buy is not a fine powder, it is a gritty powder. And it doesn't blow anywhere. I would give you the phone number to my feed store, but I know you could find it much closer than North Idaho. You also can buy magnesium from ADM if they have a location near you. Making a reasonable profit is one thing..... Why don't you ask your local feed store if they will special order you a 50# bag.
Linda

[Trailpal]

I just found this discussion with Dr. Eleanor Kellon (she is well respected, I think she has worked quite a bit with John Lyons if that means anything!) about magnesium, ratios, forms, etc. www.naturalhorsetrim.com/Magnesium_posts.htm Towards the end of the page they have specific products listed as well as links for them.

I just noticed that herbalcom.com sells Magnesium Citrate for 8.15/pound... I have no idea if that is a good form for supplement though.

[ride4fun]

Here Yip,

I think these are wholesalers but they can probly tell you the closet store they ship to and could possibly ship you a bag. They do say its hygroscopic so you'd need to put it in waterproof containers in your climate and probably just have a smallish container that gets fed. --certainly I think a local feedstore could special order one of the 50# bags and they wouldn't have to deal with any dust. I think most retail cattle Mag sups are in the form of licks with molasses and corn for palatability so plain MagOx is probly mostly used by big dairy or feedlot outfits that grind their grains and add minerals to make their own custom feeds. Cattle nor horses will not just eat MagOx, it has to be mixed in with somethin that tastes good.

www.premierchemicals.com ph 800-227-4287. Middleburg Heights OH.

[linda]

The article I have from Horse Journal is by Eleanor Kellon. I will check this link out to see how much has changed since 2001.

The frustrating thing is for that same $8.15 I can buy 50 pounds of Magox. Is there some profit-taking going on here?

My 50# bag lasts about a year. It does not clump. It doesn't get powder everywhere. I don't keep it in tight containers--most stays in the bag it comes it with just the top rolled down. Now, I do have it in the house, so we aren't talking about a super-moist environment and it definitely doesn't get rained on. Now, it does make a mess when you spill it on the floor, but nothing that a broom or a vac can't handle.

I am getting better results mixing the magox with the soaked Safe Choice instead of a little bit of beet pulp. The information about the calcium might be part of the key. I really like the Safe Choice. When I finish up what I have around here, I won't be buying any more beet pulp, oats or COB. All we will have is Equine Senior (which has beet pulp), Safe Choice and BOSS. Since I have started feeding my mare Safe Choice instead of just a small amount of soaked beet pulp, her body is really changing and that crest is decreasing. The bulk of my feed has always been timothy hay or grass (which the horses have planted a lot of timothy in), with very little added grain products. I was happy with the added beet pulp until this last month or so--and I like what I am seeing.

Linda

[linda]

Yip, Here you go. Baymag Feed Grade Magnesium Oxide. Minimum magnesium content 58%.

Baymag Inc.
800, 10655 Southport Rd, S.W.
Calgary, Alberta
Canada T2W 4Y1

A 50# sack is not very big--about 1/3 the size of a 50# sack of grain. We opened this bag in February. You are good on the computer--see if you can get them to ship you a bag. (22.68 kg).

It could well be that there is a difference in manufacturers about how fine they grind this stuff.
Linda

[Yip]

Thanks, everyone. I will check out the links and the dealer for MagOx in Canada. I'm going to dso a lot of research before I decide anything. I wanted to use plain Mg because I'm already giving a vit/min supp. Why pay extra to have 2 and then throw off the delicate balance again?

Linda, we are down to about 2 more beet pulp meals for Cooikie, then I'm switching her over to Safe Choice like Rose. I only give a qt a day to mix supps. in and it makes sense to use just one product. I don't like the result of feeding BP to Rose, so Cookie is the one who has to change. I expect good things and she'll like the taste better.

My feed store guy also said that MagOx is bitter and livestock won't eat if unless it's mixed with something that tastes good.

[linda]

Yip, They will eat it in Safe Choice mash. If they are deficient, they will lick and lick in the pans the magnesium oxide was in. I had them licking empty pans for up to an hour when I first started giving it to them. It was obvious that all the horses were magnesium deficient---and the nutritional vet at ADM confirmed that. The magnesium is tied up and not available in the soils where we live.

Okay, taste test, just for you. The stuff from Canada has no taste at all--just gritty. I just stuck my finger in it and tasted it. My horses have been eating it since 2001.

PM me your mailing address and I will put some in an envelope and send it to you.
Linda

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I can add to Linda's experience. Mine is also more gritty, but there is powder to it. It has no taste. I mix mine with a little applesauce and put on hay pellets. It was 9.90 for 50 lbs. I've had it in the back of my Explorer, no clumping as yet.

[Bob Fairchild]

Magnesium citrate and magnesium sulfate (Epsom salts) are both laxatives.

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